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  yet another newbie..

  by ragnarok75 in

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  i've been lurking here for some time and now that i've registered here's a little bit about myself... i'm in northern europe (so english is not my own language,but i have indeed studied it for more than 18 months) and i was born into this hateful cult in the "momentuous" year of -75.good that my parents stayed alive till then!.

  as far back as i can remember i had doubts both about the doctrines and the whole existence of god.however,i instinctively knew that these doubts are not to be mentioned.so i learned to be a fake at an early age.though having read many other stories here i realise how easy i got it.i now understand that we lived in a rather liberal area and also my family was quite liberal eventhough my dad was an elder since mid -80 and mom was really "strong in the truth".i never brought up the religion at school or with friends and was never bullied or anything.it helped that i was good at sports,especially football (soccer for americans) and football is also the source of my biggest hurt in childhood.i know it may sound very trivial,but the fact that i wasn't allowed to join a football team felt just so unjust and painfull and it lasted all through my childhood.whenever we had a new gym teacher,the first thing he asked me was which team do i play for.i was too embarrased to tell the truth and i just gave the impression that i only wanted to play for fun and not join any team.oh,how badly i wanted to!.

  somehow i managed to silence all those doubts and got babtised as a young man.very soon after the babtism i knew that it didn't have the hoped for effect of making me more spiritual and meetings and field service still felt an absolute bore.now began the long years of just "going through the motions".all my family (parents,many brothers and sisters,uncles and aunts,nieces and nephews) and most of my friends were in.i never reached out and attended only one or two meetings a week and penned my hours.i kind of liked my congregation (also,the seats at our kh were really comfy,so i often slept through the meetings) and made some very good friends.friends that - as you all can guess- didn't turn out to be so good in the end,but with whom i nonetheless had some good times and felt a strong connection to.. for a long time nothing happened that would've disrupted my rather non-eventfull life as a lacklustre jdub with at least another foot in the "world".i'd done many things that would've gotten me d'fed,but i never had any intentions of going to the elders about it and i had no pangs of conscience about it either.it was just a matter of convenience..i liked my witness friends,wanted to hold on to them and not to lose my family.. however..there was this girl... a (worldly,of course) girl that i had absolutely fell for and had a brief romance with many years ago.now she was back in my life.i must omit the proceeding turns of events for the sake of anonymity,but the end result is that i'm a proud father of a lovely baby girl.well,not so much baby anymore as she starts school soon.i love her so much and it gives me great satisfaction that she is growing free from any influence of vicious cults or of any gods for that matter.we live now in different countries but i see her often and there's always skype.. her birth also acted as a catalyst for the change in relationship between me and the society.i decided that i wanted to share the joy of her birth and existence with my family,eventhough i also knew that that would mean i'd have to go the elders too.if i didn't,they would,and that would result in automatic disfellowshippping.. a jc was duly formed and i had decided that i'm not going to go there and tell them that i regret her,as having her is the best thing that's ever happeded to me.

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  man oh man

  Welcome, hey it aint to late to get involved with sports, maybe help with coaching that could really bring satisfaction.
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  What's you BIGGEST pet peeve/disagreement with the WT or GB?!?

  by TeenageInsider in

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  for me its the district conventions.

  not bragging in anyway, but i was born-into a family of 'higher ups' im talking co's and zo's..... and there is a room that they set up in the conventions/stadiums called the "chairmans office".

  i always have access to these rooms, because im usually with one of my higher up family members who give talks and all that other crap.. anyways, while everyone in the convention is sitting in the sun, eating a slimy, soggy bolognia sandwich, the chairmans office is air conditioned, has a variety of chilled beverages, 'coke, pepsi, diet coke, gatorade, dasani water bottles,' not to mention the 'danishes, sandwich triangles, cookies, cakes, muffins, fresh coffee, and for lunch, pizza, salads, pastas, and lasagna'.

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  man oh man

  They always ask for money but get away with everyone thinking they don't.

  Brothers in poor lands do not recieve "spiritual food" until they caugh up cash.

  When a resolution is passed everyone votes for it. Great evidence for mind control.

  so many titles. are you a "special pioneer"? haha

  and the one mentioned in the op. that always bugged me. pointed it out to the wife and she don't care.
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  New World Translation

  by MsD in

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  it may seem like a stupid question but who was responsible for translating their version of the bible?

  i heard it was ray franz, several governing body members.

  does anybody have any legitimate info that can prove who exactly translated it?

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  man oh man

  Rattigan350

  #3 poster. IF Fred Franz had limited knowledge how is it that the translation exists?

  It is called copy and paste and slightly reword to say what you like!
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  Would this work? Be honest. Brutal if necessary.

  by okage in

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  2. beliefs

  i feel i must preface this with context so as to make the intention understandable: .

  to jehovah's witnesses and their apologists, that goal is destruction of truth and the downfall of jehovah's witnesses.

  but that's not our goal.

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  man oh man

  Exposing this cult to as many people as possible is the way to hurt the wt. It is happening as we speak and it is having a major impact. Personally I tell everyone I can that I am not really a jehovah's witness. I tell them I have to act and keep in line so I do not lose my family. I let them see how this is so devastating.

  Believe me word of mouth is very powerful. The more negative comments people hear about jw's the more likely they will research the internet especially if they are offered a bible study or a family member is studying. The book store owner where I purchase my apostate literature looked at me like I was crazy when I told them I have to order my books as John Doe. But they quickly took me serious and I will guantee they look through my books before I pick them up.

  If each of us save a hand full of people from ruining their lives, then we will have been victorious against the cult!

  Also take to heart that this cult has a shelf life. Anyone that is there 20 years from now will be loony anyway.

  That said, I think a letter writing campaign would be very therapeutic for us and damaging in some ways to the cult.
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  This just new: Thirty-hour quota for auxiliary pioneering (letter)

  by pixel in

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  i just wanna post post this.

  to all congregations.

  re: thirty-hour quota for auxiliary pioneering.

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  man oh man

  padding the hours and testing for loyalty!

  They are making it harder for us hostages!
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  The 1260 Days: No Witnesses were harmed in the making of this prophesy.

  by Londo111 in

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  2. bible

  according to the latest printed light on the 1260 days, this prophetic period ended on june 21, 1918, when rutherford and the directors were sentenced to prison.

  the beginning of the 1260 days is said to be december 1914. .

  however, if we use a simple tool, like excel, and subtract 1260 days from june 21, 1918, we get january 8th, 1915. .

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  man oh man

  In looking these things up after being baptized I always laughed and said "yeah right". But continued believing we had the truth.
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  not seeing the forest for the trees

  by El_Guapo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  sometimes when you are in the borg, you miss the obvious.

  i recall a sheperding call around sept. 2001. i was a brand-new m.s.

  and went with an older elder.

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  man oh man

  can't see the forest for the "mind control". lol
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  Trend of Fewer Baptisms Continues: Latest JW Conventions in New Zealand

  by steve2 in

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  the round of "international" conventions that started in the middle of last year in the states "wrapped" up last weekend in new zealand.

  there was some media converage (from which i derived the information that follows).

  (someone who knows how to copy links may be able to provide the relevant media links?).

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  man oh man

  I wish they would turn the baptism talk into an unbaptism talk. I would volunteer to be a candidate!
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  JWs have not "disfellowshipped" anyone publicly in several years

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you want to get technical, jws have not "disfellowshipped" anyone publicly in several years.

  they stopped saying,.

  "joe blow has been disfellowshipped.

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  Yeah the shunning of inactive ones is on! An inactive brother (which has mental problems and should be inactive) has had me bringing him literature for a couple years. I was just told by two elders that he needs to come to the hall and get it himself. These are some seriously loving people. NOT
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  JW's disdain for the Papacy, and their new light

  by zed is dead in

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  i love how the witnesses have contempt for all other religions, especially the catholic church.

  their big gripe is about the pope being the spoksman of god.

  they pride themselves in not having a clergy.

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  man oh man

  They don't like the papacy probably because they have more money and property!